St. Lawrence of Chernigov: Some Prophecies and Statements on the Ukrainian Situation

Schema-Archimandrite Lawrence, in the world Luke Evseevich Proskura, was born in 1868 in the region of Chernigov. He reposed on the Feast of Theophany, 1950, and after his death his relics were found to be incorrupt. The Russian Orthodox Church canonized him as a saint in 1993 (commemorated on December 29/January 11 and January 6/19). Besides the gift of healing, St. Lawrence was known for his gift of prophecy, especially concerning events surrounding the end of the world and the coming of Antichrist. His words have striking significance for us today.

Chernigov is located in the northern Ukraine, a region that before the Bolshevik revolution and Lenin’s redrawing of the map was more considered a part of Russia. St. Lawrence would have felt deeply for the fate of both peoples without preference, and his prophecies concerning the Ukraine have come down to us. Here are some of those prophecies, translated from the book: St Lawrence of Chernigov: Life and Service to the Saint [Russian] (Lestvitsa: Moscow 2003). They are also found in the book [Russian], St. Lawrence of Chernigov: Life, Teachings, Prophecies and Akathist (Holy Dormition-Pochaev Lavra, 2001).

Defender and Protector of Holy Rus’”

He was all things to all people (cf. 1 Cor. 9:2)

St. Lawrence of Chernigov St. Lawrence of Chernigov
The spiritual people who had contact with Fr. Lawrence—Metropolitan Joseph (Chernov) of Alma-Atin and Kazakhstan (1839-1975); Archbishop Simon (Ivanovsky) of Vinnitsa and Bratslav (1888-1966); Archbishop Veniamin (Novitsky) of Irkutsk and Chitinsk (1900-1976); Archbishop Evmeny (Khorol’sky) of Zhitomir and Ovruch (1886-1967); Bishop Iakov (Zaika) of Chernigov; Archimandrite Kronid, Vicar of the Kiev Caves Dormition Lavra; Schema-Archimandrite Prochor of Pochaev and St. Kuksha of Odessa were witnesses to Fr. Lawrence, that he was a great ascetic and Starets—like St. Ambrose of Optina and St. Varnava of Gethsemane Skete.

They all conversed with the holy Elder Lawrence, received consolation and help; and to each of them the clairvoyant elder partially revealed the future, which was fulfilled in reality.

The late Metropolitan of Kiev, John,1 deeply revered Schema-Archimandrite Lawrence’s memory and always mentioned him with reverence during conversations about him; he himself had the opportunity to become convinced of the Elder’s clairvoyance, and would say, “Great and marvelous is this elder!”

According to accounts of Fr. Alexander (dean of the Transfiguration of the Savior Cathedral and secretary of the Diocesan administration), Hieromartyr Vasily (Bogoyavlensky), Archbishop of Chernigov used to say (in 1915 or 1916) that the Holy Spirit dwelt in Fr. Lawrence, and that he was like the ancient ascetics. And concerning the archbishop himself he added, “Oh! What a man Archbishop Vasily was! He was a real hierarch! And he won’t say a single idle word—it was really so with him, that a hierarch’s word is law, and holy.”

Archbishops Simon and Andrei and Bishops Iakov and Nestor called Fr. Lawrence a great luminary and pillar of Orthodoxy.

Yes, he was indeed a light of the Orthodox Faith and its bulwark and champion, for he himself never wavered in the unity of the Church and did not associate with the Living Church-Renovationists or the Ukrainian nationalist-self-ordained groups.2 He strengthened the faithful in Orthodoxy. He said that—according to St. Theodosius’ (of Chernigov’s) example—one must hold to unity and not split off. He was always faithful to the Moscow Patriarchate, and enjoined everyone to do the same.

Before the closing of the monastery in Chernigov, the servant of God M.M. travelled with a petition to the Moscow Patriarchate, where he was received first by Archbishop Cyprian, and then by Patriarch Alexei I. The conversation was long; the subject turned to the miracles of St. (Bishop) Theodosius [of Chernigov], and at this His Holiness began to talk about Schema-Archimandrite Lawrence, saying that Metropolitan Stephen of Kharkov had told him that Fr. Lawrence was holy. He added, crossing himself, “Holy Father Lawrence, pray unto God for us!”

Long he burned, not burning up,
Enlightening hearts – so many!
Before him the gates of Paradise opened up
Because he loved aplenty.

Monastics and laymen, not only of Chernigov but also throughout Rus’, who remembered and personally knew the Elder-ascetic and helper in all kinds of need, who turned to him or who heard or read about him, always believed that the soul of the righteous Elder had taken up its abode in the heavenly mansions, intercedes before the Throne of the Lord and Ruler of the Universe, and prays for our salvation. And the Lord did not put their faith to shame: Elder Lawrence was numbered among the choir of monastic saints in 1993.

The Psalm-Singer David—saint, king, and prophet—said: “Wondrous is God in His saints!”3 And we the faithful children of the Orthodox Church also say, wondrous is God in Fr. Lawrence.

The basis of the material being published here is the Elder’s personal account and the memoirs of his spiritual children, nuns of the convent, who to the last day of his life were with him and near him. I am personally adding what has not been included in previous “Lives” of the Elder, but which has been preserved in various manuscripts. I knew personally and had conversations with all the people about whom I give account and whose accounts I cite.

Schema-Igumen Cherubim (Degtyar)

Chernigov

St. Lawrence’s Prophetic Words About Heresies and Schisms in the Ukrainian Church”4

Batiushka—such a loving man—told us: “When a little freedom appears, when the churches and monasteries are being opened and restored, then all false teaching will come out, and the demons and secret atheists (Catholics, Uniates, Ukrainian self-ordained, and others) and will fiercely take up arms against the Orthodox Russian Church, its unity and its conciliar nature.5 A godless authority will support these heretics, and therefore they will take churches away from the Orthodox and slaughter the faithful.

“Then the Metropolitan of Kiev (not worthy of the name) together with his like-minded hierarchs and priests will strongly shake the Russian Church. The whole world will be amazed at his lawlessness and will be frightened. He himself will go off into eternal perdition, like Judas.6

“But all these slanders of the evil one and false teachings will disappear in Russia, and there will be One Orthodox Russian Church."

Elder Lawrence’s Words about Rus’, about the Concept of “Russian,” about Heresies and Schisms, and about Faithfulness to the Mother-Church7

St. Lawrence spoke emphatically and strictly, with warning, that the word for our native land and people is Rus’ and Russian.8 "And it’s absolutely necessary to know, remember, and not forget that it was the Baptism of Rus’ (Russia), and not the baptism of Ukraine. Kiev is a second Jerusalem and the mother of Russian cities. Kievan Rus’ was together with Great Russia. Kiev without Great Russia and separate from Russia is completely unthinkable.

"There was a secret Jewish capital in Poland.9 The Jews forced the Poles to try to conquer Rus’. When the Poles conquered part of Rus’ (Russia),10 they rented it to the Jews, including Orthodox monasteries, churches and priests. The priests and Orthodox people could not perform any rite whatsoever without their permission. They pressed and oppressed the Orthodox [Christians] from every side, protecting Poland, Catholicism, and the Unia.11 It is not without reason that 'Golden Gritz'12 of blessed memory—Fool-for-Christ Grigory—used to cry out at the bazaar when they would beat him: 'Oh! The Jewish fists hurt!'

"The Jews hated the words 'Rus' and 'Russian,' so at first they called the Russian lands conquered by the Poles and rented out to them 'Malorossia' (Little Russia). Then they realized that it contained the word 'Ros,' and they named it Okraina13. The word okraina is a disgraceful and humiliating word! What 'remote, outlying district'? What 'outback'? Why and for what is it 'okraina'?! You see, beyond this supposed Judeo-Polish 'outskirts' there lie other countries and states. And later, on their same orders, the Poles legitimatized the concepts of the Ukraine and Ukrainians to us, so that we would willingly forget our own name of 'Russian' forever, so that we would be torn away from Holy and Orthodox Rus' forever.

St. Theodosius of Chernigov St. Theodosius of Chernigov
"St. Theodosius, Abbot of the Kiev Caves Lavra, wrote that we should never praise anyone else's religion and on no account should we unite with the Catholics or leave the Orthodox Faith. People close in spirit to him, the great Archbishop Lazarus Baranovich and St. Theodosius of Chernigov—whose relics are before us (saying this, Batiushka Lawrence did a prostration towards the Cathedral), and St. John, Metropolitan of Tobol'sk—all strove with all their strength according to the word of the Lord Jesus: That they all may be one, may be with Orthodox Russia, so as together to constitute Holy Rus'. And so to be freed once and for all from Polish domination and from the oppression of the Jews and their leasing,14 and be freed from soul-destroying Catholicism and the Unia, so foreign to us, which were introduced and planted by threats, torture, and death." And Batiushka used to say further: "As it is impossible to divide the Most Holy Trinity, Father and Son and Holy Spirit, for it is One God, so also it is impossible to divide Russia, the Ukraine and Belorussia, for these together are Holy Rus'. Know, remember, and do not forget.

"There was never any Patriarch in the city of Kiev—the Patriarchs were in Moscow and lived in Moscow. Beware of Ukrainian samosviatsky15 groups (churches) and the Unia."

The Vicar of the Kiev Caves Lavra, Fr. Kronid, took objection to Batiushka’s words, because the samosviaty and the Uniates had already vanished in the Ukraine. Batiushka answered mournfully and sadly, "A demon will enter them and they will take up arms with satanic malice against the Orthodox Faith and Church, but they will have a disgraceful end, while their followers will suffer heavenly retribution from the Lord, King of the Heavenly Hosts."

What precious words of Batiusha's—they are priceless! Batiushka foresaw everything and knew everything ahead of time. Now a Ukrainian samosviat self-ordained hierarch has appeared, calling himself the [head of] the Kiev Patriarchate—and where, no less? In America. He doesn't know and has forgotten that there has never been a Patriarch in Kiev... We, however, need to bring to everyone's attention: How could there be a Kiev Patriarch in America?! And some people cry out in their folly, to their eternal torment and to their shame: "Our Patriarch."

Batiushka forewarned us to be faithful to the Moscow Patriarchate and under no circumstances to enter any schism. He warned that the hierarchs and priests who have led the faithful into a revolt have done great harm to themselves and have brought a multitude of Orthodox souls to perdition.

“Be cautious of the so-called Church Abroad, and know that it is not in the Diptych of the Orthodox Churches.16 It is not a church, but part of the Russian Church.17 Our much-suffering Church held its own in the godless state. To her [the Church] be honor and glory and eternal praise! Our country is not abroad, and our Church is not abroad! Our country has never ceased to exist! We do not have any “abroad” churches.

“The 'Free Church' is a heretical name.18 All our churches and monasteries are Orthodox, even the closed ones and the desecrated ones.

“The only ones who go into schism and heresy are those unworthy of God’s mercy, and are great sinners, who do not want to know: “I believe in One Holy Catholic (“conciliar”) and Apostolic Church!” Nor do they wish to know that the Orthodox Church is the Body of Christ (can it be possible to divide the Body of Christ?), and finally, that the Church is the seamless robe of the Lord (which, although Arius tried, one must not divide).

“And they do not remember, that there is One God, one Faith and Baptism.19

“The Lord Jesus Christ created one Church (and not churches), over which even the gates of hell cannot prevail. There is only one Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. The others, which call themselves churches, are not churches, but tares of the devil among the wheat, and an assembly of the devil.”

At these words, Batiushka said a prayer for all who have gone astray from or renounced Orthodoxy; he began to cry and said, “No, the Lord will not call them to repentance, they will not be saved, for they are unworthy of God’s mercy. This was revealed to me by the Queen of Heaven and my holy Guardian Angel.” Batiushka testified: “The Queen of Heaven has appeared to me several times, has visited me both by Herself, and with the Archangels Michael and Gabriel.” “In those who have gone astray from and have renounced the True Faith20 there is no salvation or receiving of the Kingdom of Heaven. We, the Orthodox, do not need anything—only the Orthodox Faith, the salvation of our souls, and to receive the Kingdom of Heaven. And we have all this in our Mother, the Russian Orthodox Church. Thanks be to God! But to break off from it and leave it is the greatest sin, which is unforgivable both in this life and in the life to come—it is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.”

And at this Batiushka lit up with a light not of this world, finishing his conversation with the words, "Hear thou and see!" as the Holy Evangelist says, and added: "They will be deaf and blind!"21

Schema-Archimandrites Theophan, Nikifor and Varlaam

Prophecy of the Holy Spirit-Bearing Elder Lawrence about Russia

Schema-Archimandrite Theophan also related that St. Lawrence used to say with a smile, joyfully: "The Russian people will repent of their deadly sins—that they allowed the Jewish impiety22 in Russia, that they did not defend the Tsar anointed of God, the Orthodox churches or monasteries, the choir of the holy Martyrs and Confessors and all that was holy in Russia. They disdained piety and loved demonic impiety. And [they will repent of the fact] that for many years they lauded and glorified, and went a-worshipping the destroyer of the country—the soviet-atheist idol, and also the graven image, Stalin, venerating his name as immortal."

Batiushka said that when the demons threw Lenin into hell, there was great rejoicing among the demons—a celebration in hell. And he added, that when Stalin arrives in hell, the same thing will happen. Their memory will perish with a resounding noise.23

Russia, together with all the Slavic nations and lands, will constitute a mighty Tsardom (kingdom). At its helm will be an Orthodox Tsar, Anointed of God. The Tsar will be from God. All schisms and heresies will vanish in Russia. There will not be any persecution of the Orthodox Church. The Lord will have mercy on Holy Rus', because in her there had been the horrible, terrible time preceding the antichrist. The great regiment of the Martyrs and Confessors has shown forth, beginning with the highest spiritual and civil ranks. Metropolitan and Tsar, priest and monk, children and even nursing infants, ending with laypeople. All these will beseech the Lord God the King of Hosts, the King of Kings, glorified in the Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

One must firmly understand that Russia is one of the portions24 of the Queen of Heaven, and She cares for and intercedes for it especially. The whole choir of Russian Saints, together with the Mother of God, begs [the Lord] to spare and have mercy on Russia.

There will be a flowering of the Orthodox Faith and the former rejoicing will return—only for a short time. For the Dread Judge will come to judge the living and the dead.

The Russian Orthodox Tsar will be feared even by the antichrist himself.

During the times of the antichrist, Russia will be the most powerful Kingdom in the world. But the other countries—except for Russia and the Slavic lands—will be under the power of the antichrist and will experience all the horrors and torments described in Holy Scripture. Russia, repent! Glorify God with rejoicing, and sing to Him: Alleluia.

Schema-Archimandrite Theophan, Schema-Nun Alexandra and Nun Olympiada

Dimitra Dwelley

2/19/2015

1 Most probably Ioann (Sokolov) (1877-1968), as he is mentioned elsewhere in this book.Trans.

2 There was a nationalist movement afoot in Ukraine in the early 20th century, which caused a schism in the Church.

3 Ps. 67:36.

4 P. 135 of Life, Teachings, Prophecies and Akathist (LTPA). Page 185 of Life and Service to the Saint. –Trans.

5 Sobornost’ –Trans.

6 (Footnote in printed Russian book St. Lavrenty of Chernigov: Life and Service to the Saint. Преподный Лаврентый ЧерниговскийЖитие и служба святому. Лѣствица: Москва 2003):

“The prophetic words of the saint are being fulfilled in our day, especially regarding the situation in the Ukrainian Church. With great spiritual trepidation we are forced to cite the Decree Concerning the Excommunication of monk Philaret (Denisenko), former Metropolitan of Kiev, who has flung many souls into schism: "The Holy Hierarchical Council examined the case of the anti-Church activity of monk Philaret (Denisenko), who has been deprived of all degrees of the priesthood by the court order of the Hierarchical Council of June 11, 1992, and was warned by the Hierarchical Council of 1994 that "in the case of continued... misconduct, he will be excommunicated from the Church through anathematization." The Holy Hierarchical Council is forced now with sorrow to state that monk Philaret did not heed the call to repentance addressed to him in the name of the Mother Church and in the period between councils continued his schismatic activity, which he stretched out beyond the bounds of the Russian Orthodox Church, contributing to the deepening of the schism in our brother-Church of Bulgaria and receiving into his communion schismatics from other Local Orthodox Churches. Criminally disregarding the well-founded ban pronounced by the lawful Church authority—that is, his defrocking—he continued to perform sacrilegious "divine services," including blasphemous ordinations; not having any priestly rank, monk Philaret, to the seduction of many, dared to call himself "Patriarch of Kiev and All Rus'-Ukraine,"While the ancient Kiev See is lawfully occupied by the canonical Primate of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, which is in canonical communion with the Russian Orthodox Church, and through her with the whole Ecumenical (vselenskoy—of the whole inhabited earth) Orthodox Church—continuing to cripple Orthodoxy in the Ukraine by his criminal acts. In view of the above, based on the 28th Apostolic Canon, which says: "If any bishop, presbyter, or deacon, having been justly deposed upon open accusations, shall dare to meddle with any of the divine offices which had been entrusted to him, let him be altogether cut off from the Church," and likewise the 14th Canon of the Council of Sardis, the 4th of Antioch, the 88th of St. Basil the Great—the Holy Hierarchical Council unanimously determines: to excommunicate monk Philaret (Mikhail Antonovich Denisenko) from the Church of Christ. Let him be anathema before all the people." (Anathema. History and the 20th Century. 1998. Pp. 396-397.)

7 P. 148 LTPA.

8 St. Lavrenty was from what is now called (the) Ukraine; therefore, the word “our” here refers in particular to people living there—the word for native land there is “Rus’” and “Russian,” not “Ukrainian.” –Trans.

9 The King of Poland invited Jews to his country, finding it profitable, whereas in the Middle Ages or later many European countries had expelled their Jewish population, much of which then moved to Poland, where they were welcome. Thus, there was a high concentration of Jews in Poland, and they were indeed allowed to have great control and influence there. The word "secret" may have been used because they were still segregated from the Christian population in many ways, voluntarily or involuntarily. —Trans.

10 Poland—Kingdom of Poland/the Polish-Lituanian Commonwealth—annexed Kievan Rus', subjecting Russian peasants, especially, to the arenda system. (See note 16 under arenda.)

11 The Union of Brest (1595-1596), wherein many Orthodox bishops in Little Russia succumbed to Jesuit pressure and went over to the Pope of Rome.

12 Grigory Miroshnikov of Sednev, Chernigov, Fool-for-Christ. He lived at the beginning of the 19th century.

13 "Okraina" means "outskirts," "outlying districts," "remote area."

14 Leasing—arenda. System in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (which had annexed Kievan Russia), whereby a few oligarchs owned vast estates and even peasant villages. The landowners were unwilling to spend the time necessary to administer such vast holdings, so the commonly-accepted solution was to rent out one's lands (hence, arenda) to Jews, who managed the lands and collected taxes for the owners. This was the same as the ancient Roman tax-collection method of Biblical times, whereby the tax collectors were not actually paid by the Romans, but who were allowed to exact more—sometimes much more—than the sum for taxes in order to "pay" themselves. The Jewish middlemen even collected taxes from Orthodox Christian clergy, often held the keys to the church, and not a single treba (service of need, such as a wedding or baptism) could be performed without paying them. Russian Christian attitudes towards them were therefore similar to Jewish attitudes towards the tax-collectors (publicans) for Rome in the Bible accounts.

15 Samosviat—self-ordained group, not lawfully ordained by another Patriarch or bishop, but by one's own self; a group not ordained by or recognised by the canonical and lawful Orthodox Church. Such an invalid ordination puts the group outside of the Church.

16 (This endnote is in the original book [Note 48], written by the compiler of that book:) "Now the Ecumenical (vselenskaya--of the whole inhabited earth) Orthodox Church consists of nine Patriarchates. In the order of the Diptych these are the patriarchates of Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, Moscow, Georgia, Serbia, Romania, and Bulgaria; and the six autocephalous Churches headed by Archbishops (Cyprus, Greece, and Albania) and by Metropolitans (the Orthodox Churches in Poland, [then] Czecho-Slovakia and America)” (Protopriest Vladislav Tsypin. Tserkovnoe Pravo. Moscow:1994. P. 217). –Compiler of the Russian book.

17 The ROCA herself acknowledged this in the Epistle of 1927, Decision 3: “The part of the Russian Church that finds itself abroad considers itself an inseparable, spiritually united branch of the Great Russian Church. It does not separate itself from its Mother Church and does not consider itself autocephalous.” (from Archpriest Roman Lukianov; "The Path of the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad. Observations and Thoughts of an Old Priest", OrthoChristian.com.) St. Lavrenty’s statements appear to be a prophetic response to some segments of the Russian Church Abroad who began to consider it to be separate from the Church in Russia, and to consider that after 1928 the Russian Orthodox Church somehow ceased to exist.—Trans.

18 Again, did St. Lavrenty foresee the FROC (so-called “Free Russian Orthodox Church”)—the name for the uncanonical presence of ROCOR parishes on Russian soil under Metropolitan Vitaly—which was in essence saying that none of the parishes and monasteries in Russia were Orthodox.

19 Ephesians 4:5,6.

20 Pravoverie— “right faith,” which is basically another way to translate Ortho (right) doxia (praise or teaching). “Orthodoxy” in Russian is pravoslavie, and pravoverie is always used as a synonym.

21 Cf. Mat. 13:14-16 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive...

22 1) The Bolshevik institution of atheism and 2) the plots to assassinate Tsar and Royal Family. The Tsar is considered to be anointed of God and defender of the Orthodox Christian Faith. The high involvement of Jews in this, as being antagonistic to the Tsar, has been noted by such as Winston Churchill, National Geographic (1907), and Jewish historians themselves:

"Summing up the situation at that time, Israeli historian Louis Rapoport writes:19

Immediately after the [Bolshevik] Revolution, many Jews were euphoric over their high representation in the new government. Lenin's first Politburo was dominated by men of Jewish origins.

Under Lenin, Jews became involved in all aspects of the Revolution, including its dirtiest work. Despite the Communists' vows to eradicate anti-Semitism, it spread rapidly after the Revolution—partly because of the prominence of so many Jews in the Soviet administration, as well as in the traumatic, inhuman Sovietization drives that followed. Historian Salo Baron has noted that an immensely disproportionate number of Jews joined the new Bolshevik secret police, the Cheka And many of those who fell afoul of the Cheka would be shot by Jewish investigators." (Louis Rapoport, Stalin's War Against the Jews (New York: Free Press, 1990), pp. 30, 31, 37. See also pp. 43, 44, 45, 49, 50. as cited in The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's Early Soviet Regime: Assessing the Grim Legacy of Soviet Communism by Mark Weber).

23 Stalin was still alive at the time of this prediction. He died in 1953, three years after St. Lawrence.—Trans.

24 According to tradition, the four "lots" (zhrebiy, oudely) of the Mother of God on earth are: Georgia, Mt. Athos, the Kiev-Caves Lavra and the Seraphimo-Diveyevo Convent.

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Comments
Editor12/5/2022 10:28 pm
Joseph: We do appreciate your bringing that article to our attention, and hopefully when we have time we can look into it further. I think that the author wrote this article in good faith. If there is a problem with Schema-Igumen Cherubim (Degtyar), to be sure, she didn't know about it. And as I said, the there are other articles on the internet convincingly saying that Fr. Cherubim was slandered. As I said, things are not simple in Ukraine. But the subject of prophecies surrounding Ukraine is very interesting and isn't limited to St. Lawrence of Chernigov.
Joseph Lipper12/5/2022 8:06 am
Dear Editors, I can fully understand if you are not comfortable publishing this study by Dr. Sergei Shumilo. However, Dr. Sergei Shumilo's work has in fact been published on Orthochristian.com several times before. Here is the listing of his articles that Orthochristian.com has already published: https://orthochristian.com/112175.html Here also is his same study as published on the "International Institute of Athonite Heritage" website: https://afon.org.ua/publikatsii/falshivye-prorochestva-kak-opravdanie-vojny-sektantskie-mistifikatsii-moskovskogo-patriarkha-kirilla.html
Editor12/1/2022 5:54 pm
Joseph: Unfortunately, whether St. Lawrence really made these prophecies or not, some of them are already coming true. I saw Shumylo's article elsewhere in Russian, and I think it's serious. However, there are so many prophecies and anti-prophecies on the internet now that even with a good deal of research it would be hard to sort them out. Those who are against the unity of the Ukrainian Church with the Russian church are against prophecies that they will be together, and obviously those who would like to see Ukrainians and Russians spiritually together (as they always were before certain despicable people started meddling in Church affairs that are not their business) feel that these prophecies are true. Hopefully, we can do more research on this (not just on the internet, which is seeing through a glass darkly at best), and compile another article. But in the end, it will be what it will be, as God wills.
Joseph Lipper12/1/2022 6:31 am
Dear Editors, please, I'm not interested in making a defense for orthodoxtimes.com, but I will point out that the article I quoted is written by a very respected ecclesiastical historian, Dr. Serhii V. Shumylo. Please check his credentials. His article can probably also be found in Russian or Ukrainian elsewhere. What is stunning is that he points out how the original publications about the life of St. Laurentiy of Chernigov, first published in 1988 and then again in 1991 as "Life Descriptions and Teachings by Archimandrite Lavrentii Chernigovskii," did not include the "prophecies" that Cherubim Degtyar added in his own publications from 1994 onwards. Indeed, your headline article here written by Dimitra Dwelley specifically suggests as much, quoting Schema-Igumen Cherubim Degtyar's own explanatory footnote: "I am personally adding what has not been included in previous 'Lives' of the Elder, but which has been preserved in various manuscripts. I knew personally and had conversations with all the people about whom I give account and whose accounts I cite." Well, for what it's worth, it's basically his word that we're trusting, but he doesn't appear to be a very trustworthy guy. At any rate, Cherubim Degtyar's publication appears to be the original source of these "prophecies".
Editor11/28/2022 6:29 pm
Joseph: If you believe the Orthodox Times, I have a bridge to sell you. They will say anything to make the Moscow Patriarchate look bad, and to justify the criminal intervention by foreign agents in Ukrainian Church matters. There are too many contradictions and false histories in your comment to address here. But now we're inspired to write more about this.
Joseph Lipper11/28/2022 6:24 pm
Thank you for your response. Apparently Cherubim Degtyar was banned much earlier in the 1980's, my mistake, not 2020: "The then-ruling metropolitan of Chernihiv and Nizhyn, Anthony (Vakaryk; 1926-2003), who banned Degtyar from serving and receiving Holy Communion as a sectarian and impostor back in the early 1980s, did not bless the distribution of this book, edited by Cherubim in the Chernihiv eparchy of the UOC MP." And also in contradiction to what Cherubim Degtyar wrote about St. Lavrentiy of Chernigov: "NKVD documents explicitly state that Fr. Lavrentiy (Proskura) was a 'pillar of the IPC' in Chernihiv, did not recognize Metropolitan Sergey (Stragorodsky) of Moscow, and even if in any of the churches he heard the name of this hierarch being commemorated, he defiantly 'plugged his ears' in public, thus demonstrating his attitude to the pro-Soviet Moscow church leadership of the ROC MP. "During the German occupation, he belonged to the autonomous Ukrainian Church, which also did not commemorate Moscow Patriarch Sergey (Stragorodsky), and its hierarchs were subjected to a 'ban on priestly service' by the Moscow Synod. After the arrival of Soviet troops, Archimandrite Lavrentii, although forced to join the ROC MP, remained in opposition to Bishop Boris (Vick), sent from Moscow, for which he repeatedly received insults, reprimands and threats of being 'banned from priestly service'. It is known that some priests of ROC MP in Chernigiv in the 1940s called Fr. Lavrentiy an 'autocephalist,' warning his parishioners against contacting him. Moreover, until his death, he continued to secretly receive and bless those catacomb True Orthodox Christians (TRC) who did not recognize the Moscow Patriarchate and continued to pray secretly at home." https://orthodoxtimes.com/false-prophecies-as-justification-for-the-war-sectarian-hoaxes-by-moscow-patriarch-kirill/
Editor11/27/2022 11:23 pm
Joseph Lipper: After searching and reading a number of articles about Cherubim Degtyar, it is more confusing than ever. Most of the accusations against him were coming from Ukrainian websites, which is not surprising given what is now happening there. Ukrainian sources are not happy about St. Lawrence of Chernigov's alleged words, cited by Fr. Cherubim, that Russia, Belorus, and Ukraine are as indivisible as the Holy Trinity, or something to that effect. But there are a number of articles as well that talk about how Fr. Cherubim was slandered. I can't say after going through it all, who is right. But I did not find any documents about his defrocking. Please send them if you have links to them. But as one of the main accusations against him was that he was a schismatic who was never ordained by the Moscow Patriarchate, I don't see why the MP would defrock him. Only one thing is clear: Church life in Ukraine is, let's say, not easy for us to understand. The author, however, used books that have been readily available in Russia, one of them published by the Pochaev Lavra, a venerable monastery in western Ukraine. If you have links to something more conclusive, please send them.
Joseph Lipper11/27/2022 7:59 pm
You are quoting so-called "prophecies" from a book by the mentally unstable "Schema-Igumen" Cherubim (Degtyar) who was defrocked by the Moscow Patriarchate in 2020. Those "prophecies" are a fraud of his own making. Please do some research on him and his so-called "prophecies".
Editor2/16/2019 5:54 pm
Eric Perez: This prophecy has been around for a long time in its original language, but not as long in English. The Ukrainians and Russians have known about it for many years. Only in recent years has it begun to actually come about. And not to offend you if you are Catholic, but the Roman Catholic Church has caused very much trouble in Ukraine, going way back to its domination by the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
Erik Perez2/15/2019 1:07 pm
I was a coward at this topic.
I definitely support the Catholic in Ukraine.
And know deeply i conscience if I do not speak out I will be perished in hell.

Why was this prophesy only released after the fact that it happened why was it not before ?

And by the way catholics are not the secret Aithiests

masons are.

I do not believe in this prophesy.
May God bless Ukraine forever and her people

Porphyrios8/23/2018 5:30 pm
There is one in Russian called Prophecies, at the website Lulu.com. You can also find loads of prophecies of his that are translated around the web.
Myriam Laham5/17/2016 5:24 am
Hello, is their a book about St Lavrenty of Chernigov in English?

Thank you, Myriam
Myriam2/21/2015 5:09 pm
Are there books about St Lawrence of Chernigov in English?

Thank you.
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